From the BBC description of the April 6, 2019 program:
The Verb celebrates the emotional language and range of singer-songwriter, novelist and poet Leonard Cohen. Ian McMillan is joined by guests including actor Kerry Shale (who takes on the persona of Cohen himself), philosopher Angie Hobbs, and musicians Paul Smith and Georgia Ruth to perform and explore Cohen’s work. They consider the way he helps us hold contradictory emotions, his celebration of vulnerability, and consider whether it’s fair to call him a poet of ‘despair’.
You can listen to this program at Free Thinking – Leonard Cohen
Credit Due Department: Thanks to Harold Lepidus, who alerted me to this broadcast.